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Jasper Tiler (29.03.2009, 05:04)
A human is a human, even if he or she is only
a few hours old, he or she already is a human.

We do not have the right to kill human beings
and abortion is wrong, we should not do that

Abortion is wrong, stop it!
Ray Fischer (29.03.2009, 08:39)
Jasper Tiler <slimier_trap> wrote:
>A human is a human, even if he or she is only
>a few hours old, he or she already is a human.


Tautologies are meaningless.

>We do not have the right to kill human beings


Nobody said otherwise, halfwit.
The Chief Instigator (29.03.2009, 09:36)
On Sat, 28 Mar 2009 20:04:55 -0700 (PDT), Jasper Tiler <slimier_trap> wrote:
> A human is a human, even if he or she is only a few hours old, he or she
> already is a human.


You're still an idiot, as no one knows when the fertilization occurred, in
just about every case.

> We do not have the right to kill human beings and abortion is wrong, we
> should not do that


Human beings, by common custom, have been born. Check the Constitution.

> Abortion is wrong, stop it!


If you're not able to be pregnant, it's not your decision, and definitely
not your right to force your swill on anyone else.
sebree (29.03.2009, 22:59)
On Mar 28, 10:04 pm, Jasper Tiler <slimier_t> wrote:
> A human is a human, even if he or she is only
> a few hours old, he or she already is a human.


And at that point, the infant has been born, and thus cannot be
affected by an abortion.

> We do not have the right to kill human beings
> and abortion is wrong, we should not do that


Abortion is not wrong, and it does not kill any human beings since
human beings have been born by definition.

However, in the same vein as you are using, nothing has the right to
use a person's body without the used person's express and continuing
consent to that use. That is the basis of our rape, slavery, and
assault laws. When a woman is experiencing an unwanted pregnancy,
then the embryo/fetus is using her body without her permission, which
means that she has the right to deny it's use immediately and by any
means necessary.

> Abortion is wrong, stop it!


Abortion is not wrong if the woman wants an abortion, and there is no
reason for anyone to be refused an abortion just because you do not
like abortions. Nobody is required to kowtow to your opinions.

Mark Sebree
Robert (30.03.2009, 21:08)
On Sat, 28 Mar 2009 20:04:55 -0700 (PDT), Jasper Tiler
<slimier_trap> wrote:

>A human is a human, even if he or she is only
>a few hours old, he or she already is a human.
>We do not have the right to kill human beings
>and abortion is wrong, we should not do that
>Abortion is wrong, stop it!


Abortion doesn't kill, but often does save the life of a woman. But
you really aren't concerned about a worthless woman are you?
Adam A. Wanderer (02.04.2009, 23:26)
"Jasper Tiler" <slimier_trap> wrote in message
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>A human is a human, even if he or she is only
> a few hours old, he or she already is a human.
> We do not have the right to kill human beings
> and abortion is wrong, we should not do that
> Abortion is wrong, stop it!

Or what? You'll kill someone?
Your views are intolerable, and we won't let you impose them on us.
x (25.04.2009, 05:28)
Ray Fischer wrote:
> Jasper Tiler <slimier_trap> wrote:
>> A human is a human, even if he or she is only
>> a few hours old, he or she already is a human.

> Tautologies are meaningless.


There is no such thing as a meaningless tautology. If it means nothing
it isn't true. It it is a tautology it is true.
x (25.04.2009, 05:29)
Robert wrote:
> On Sat, 28 Mar 2009 20:04:55 -0700 (PDT), Jasper Tiler
> <slimier_trap> wrote:
> Abortion doesn't kill, but often does save the life of a woman. But
> you really aren't concerned about a worthless woman are you?


It kills the unborn child.
sebree (25.04.2009, 08:09)
On Apr 24, 11:28 pm, x <x> wrote:
> Ray Fischer wrote:
> There is no such thing as a meaningless tautology. If it means nothing
> it isn't true. It it is a tautology it is true.


Not even close. Tautologies are by definition meaningless.


2. Logic: An empty or vacuous statement composed of simpler statements
in a fashion that makes it logically true whether the simpler
statements are factually true or false; for example, the statement
Either it will rain tomorrow or it will not rain tomorrow.

)

Mark Sebree
Ray Fischer (25.04.2009, 08:28)
x <x> wrote:
>Ray Fischer wrote:
>> Jasper Tiler <slimier_trap> wrote:
>>> A human is a human, even if he or she is only
>>> a few hours old, he or she already is a human.

>> Tautologies are meaningless.

>There is no such thing as a meaningless tautology.


;*71m = ;*71m

That is a tautology. Explain its meaning,

> If it means nothing
>it isn't true.


Truth has nothing to do with meaningfulness.
elizabeth (25.04.2009, 19:28)
On Apr 24, 11:28 pm, rfisc...@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
> x  <x> wrote:
>     ;*71m = ;*71m
> That is a tautology.  Explain its meaning,
> Truth has nothing to do with meaningfulness.
> --
> Ray Fischer        
> rfisc...@sonic.net  


But it is full of truthiness
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